﻿{"id":985,"date":"2016-12-29T11:41:12","date_gmt":"2016-12-29T10:41:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.testanonpertinente.net\/locule\/?p=985"},"modified":"2021-02-17T20:54:32","modified_gmt":"2021-02-17T19:54:32","slug":"985","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/testanonpertinente.net\/?p=985","title":{"rendered":"bain idiomatique, \u00eatre\/non-\u00eatre, Gr\u00e8ce Antique, lexique, miroir, mythe, Parm\u00e9nide, platon, po\u00e9sie, proverbe, reflet, Veyne, vocabulaire (Veyne, Les Grecs ont-ils cru \u00e0 leurs mythes&nbsp;?)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Le mode de trans\u00admis\u00adsion ne compte pas&nbsp;; la parole est un simple miroir&nbsp;; par la parole, les Grecs enten\u00addaient le mythe, le lexique ou plu\u00adt\u00f4t l\u2019\u00e9\u00adty\u00admo\u00adlo\u00adgie, la po\u00e9\u00adsie, les pro\u00adverbes, bref tout ce qui \u00ab&nbsp;se dit&nbsp;\u00bb et parle tout seul (puisque nous ne fai\u00adsons que le r\u00e9p\u00e9\u00adter). D\u00e8s lors, com\u00adment la parole pour\u00adrait-elle par\u00adler de rien&nbsp;? On sait quel gros pro\u00adbl\u00e8me a \u00e9t\u00e9 l\u2019exis\u00adtence du n\u00e9ant pour la phi\u00adlo\u00adso\u00adphie grecque jus\u00adqu\u2019\u00e0 Platon&nbsp;: c\u2019est un autre symp\u00adt\u00f4me de ce \u00ab&nbsp;dis\u00adcours&nbsp;\u00bb du miroir que nous venons de retrou\u00adver dans le pro\u00adbl\u00e8me du mythe. Pour se trom\u00adper, men\u00adtir ou par\u00adler \u00e0 vide, il faut par\u00adler de ce qui n\u2019est pas&nbsp;; il faut donc que ce qui n\u2019est pas soit, pour qu\u2019on puisse en par\u00adler&nbsp;; mais qu\u2019est-ce qu\u2019un n\u00e9ant qui n\u2019est pas rien&nbsp;? Platon se r\u00e9sout \u00e0 fran\u00adchir le cap, \u00e0 tuer \u00ab&nbsp;notre p\u00e8re Parm\u00e9nide&nbsp;\u00bb et, par un coup de force aus\u00adsi grand que celui par lequel les math\u00e9\u00adma\u00adti\u00adciens grecs venaient d\u2019ad\u00admettre l\u2019exis\u00adtence de nombres non nom\u00adbrables (les fameux \u00ab&nbsp;irra\u00adtion\u00adnels&nbsp;\u00bb), \u00e0 admettre que le non-\u00eatre est. Nous nous \u00e9ton\u00adnons que l\u2019ef\u00adfort ait d\u00fb \u00eatre si grand&nbsp;; mais, si la parole est un miroir, la dif\u00adfi\u00adcul\u00adt\u00e9 se com\u00adprend&nbsp;: com\u00adment un miroir pour\u00adrait-il refl\u00e9\u00adter un objet qui n\u2019est pas l\u00e0&nbsp;? Refl\u00e9ter ce qui n\u2019est pas, cela revient \u00e0 ne pas refl\u00e9\u00adter&nbsp;; inver\u00adse\u00adment, si le miroir refl\u00e8te un objet, cet objet existe&nbsp;: donc le mythe ne sau\u00adrait par\u00adler de rien. Conclusion&nbsp;: nous sommes s\u00fbrs d\u2019a\u00advance que le mythe le plus na\u00eff aura un fond de v\u00e9rit\u00e9&nbsp;(\u2026)<br>\nRefl\u00e9ter le n\u00e9ant, c\u2019est ne pas refl\u00e9\u00adter&nbsp;; refl\u00e9\u00adter le brouillard, ce sera pareille\u00adment refl\u00e9\u00adter confu\u00ads\u00e9\u00adment&nbsp;: quand l\u2019ob\u00adjet est trouble, le miroir l\u2019est aus\u00adsi. Les degr\u00e9s du savoir seront donc paral\u00adl\u00e8les \u00e0 ceux de l\u2019\u00eatre&nbsp;; tout le pla\u00adto\u00adnisme est&nbsp;l\u00e0.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Le mode de trans\u00admis\u00adsion ne compte pas&nbsp;; la parole est un simple miroir&nbsp;; par la parole, les Grecs enten\u00addaient le mythe, le lexique ou plu\u00adt\u00f4t l\u2019\u00e9\u00adty\u00admo\u00adlo\u00adgie, la po\u00e9\u00adsie, les pro\u00adverbes, bref tout ce qui \u00ab&nbsp;se dit&nbsp;\u00bb et parle tout seul (puisque nous ne fai\u00adsons que le r\u00e9p\u00e9\u00adter). D\u00e8s lors, com\u00adment la parole pour\u00ad\u00adrait-elle par\u00adler&nbsp;de&nbsp;[\u2026]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"quote","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"wp_typography_post_enhancements_disabled":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[1357,80,1303,1360,1361,786,792,997,34,1359,915,88,611],"class_list":["post-985","post","type-post","status-publish","format-quote","hentry","category-non-classe","tag-bain-idiomatique","tag-etrenon-etre","tag-grece-antique","tag-lexique","tag-miroir","tag-mythe","tag-parmenide","tag-platon","tag-poesie","tag-proverbe","tag-reflet","tag-veyne","tag-vocabulaire","post_format-post-format-quote"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/testanonpertinente.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/985","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/testanonpertinente.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/testanonpertinente.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/testanonpertinente.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/testanonpertinente.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=985"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/testanonpertinente.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/985\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/testanonpertinente.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=985"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/testanonpertinente.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=985"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/testanonpertinente.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=985"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}